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#141 Post by The Sparrow » Mon Aug 05, 2013 8:15 am

raj101 wrote:what his age immediately rules out is any romantic entanglements with Clara (unless they age Clara??)..tbf there is no real romance between Matt and her anyway. That leaves just the paternal/uncle role of classic series, actually a refreshing path given all the near incestuous action with Smith and ginger nob. Though as a side note it seem the Twilight generation is happy with a 100 year old dating a teenager, twisted lot they are.

Pete actually looks like Matt Smiths Dad if Pete was spliced with Davids genes.
You do realise that the original Doctor was Grandfather to his assistant? William Hartnell who was 55 at the time the show started (same age as Peter Capaldi is now) was the first Doctor and his companion was Susan, his granddaughter. It is only in the rebooted series did the love interest in the Doctor start. And as others have stated, the Doctor is and always has been, very much older than his companions and most other beings around him.
I think Clara will work very well with the re-generated Doctor, she is obviously very important in his life.

It's a relief to me that they have chosen an older actor, it was getting silly with regards to how young the man was. At the rate they were going we would have had a spotty teenager playing the role.

I also totally agree with TheOnes on the positive discrimination that some were trying to force the BBC into. If they had gone with a black woman, it would all have been about that and not the show. I am also somewhat of a purist, The Doctor is male. I see no reason why we should have a female although I am sure I will be shot down in flames for that.
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Re: Doctor Who

#142 Post by raj101 » Mon Aug 05, 2013 12:03 pm

The Sparrow wrote:You do realise that the original Doctor was Grandfather to his assistant?
I do, hence my support for the classic paternal/uncle role, you probably missed that bit ?

maybe you just mad at me for knocking twilight.
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#143 Post by asamaic » Mon Aug 05, 2013 12:09 pm

The Sparrow wrote: I also totally agree with TheOnes on the positive discrimination that some were trying to force the BBC into. If they had gone with a black woman, it would all have been about that and not the show. I am also somewhat of a purist, The Doctor is male. I see no reason why we should have a female although I am sure I will be shot down in flames for that.
No, I agree. I'm all for a strong female character - whether that be a normal companion or time lady - but the doctor is male. I don't think changing his gender would be in keeping with the show at all.

Loved Peter Capaldi as Caecilius and Frobisher, I'm hopeful he'll do a good job as the man himself. Very pleased the role went to someone who is both a) a good actor and b) a longstanding fan of the show.
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#144 Post by raj101 » Mon Aug 05, 2013 12:25 pm

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raj101 wrote:not sure I liked Moffats rebuke to the Doctor being female the day a man plays the Queen. The Queen is real, doesn't regenerate and isn't repeatedly chosen by a historically sexist male BBC contigent. Get with it, Moffman, don't pretend to be clever again.
Honestly, this line of thinking is precisely why i didn't want a female Doctor. Everyone is pressuring the BBC for a female or a black Doctor because its "PC" and "Times have changed". They keep claiming that the BBC is Racist or Sexist if they don't buck the trend.

I objected to ruling out women completely. If you disagree with this, it is your right to do.
I'd prefer to pick the right person for the role, but clearly by your own admission you want the right 'man' even though you want to claim you mean the 'right person'. don't feel bad about your view.

but haha! Whats Obama doing here? waaay too funny how you can label someone a racist for objecting to excluding women from playing a fictional alien role, I'll bypass your argument for that if you don't mind. At least we can both be happy that Sarah Palin didn't get in.
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Re: Doctor Who

#145 Post by Beate » Mon Aug 05, 2013 12:55 pm

Times haven't changed that much if females still get attacked and threatened on twitter. Misogyny is alive and kicking. The woman who lobbied for Jane Austen on a banknote got death threats. That's not acceptable. There are plenty of women who could play Dr Who. Ruling them out through a false sense of "we don't need to do this as we are all modern anyway" is not really an answer. Sometimes it would be nice to be considered for iconic roles too to drive things forward. Personally, I don't care about Dr Who much and think Capaldi is as good a choice as any. We've also had a female Prime minister already, and look who detested she was but that's no reason to put women on the backburner and say in today's modern society we don't need gestures like that. We do sometimes. Just to feel that we matter too. Because anyone who says we are all equal now is lying.
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#146 Post by TheOnes » Mon Aug 05, 2013 2:49 pm

raj101 wrote:
TheOnes wrote:
raj101 wrote:not sure I liked Moffats rebuke to the Doctor being female the day a man plays the Queen. The Queen is real, doesn't regenerate and isn't repeatedly chosen by a historically sexist male BBC contigent. Get with it, Moffman, don't pretend to be clever again.
Honestly, this line of thinking is precisely why i didn't want a female Doctor. Everyone is pressuring the BBC for a female or a black Doctor because its "PC" and "Times have changed". They keep claiming that the BBC is Racist or Sexist if they don't buck the trend.

I objected to ruling out women completely. If you disagree with this, it is your right to do.
I'd prefer to pick the right person for the role, but clearly by your own admission you want the right 'man' even though you want to claim you mean the 'right person'. don't feel bad about your view..
And herein lies my point in a nutshell. All of these arguments "for" diversity extend to nothing more than guilt tripping and peer pressure. Saying if they dont adhere to a particular view then obvipusly there is some innate prejudice within them. Im sorry, i am all for a woman or person of colour ib the tardis, but i seriously dont like the reasons and arm bending that everyone is putting forward for this same argument.

I'd rather they stick with a man for the right reasons, than go for diversity for the wrong reasons.
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Re: Doctor Who

#147 Post by The Sparrow » Mon Aug 05, 2013 2:58 pm

raj101 wrote:
The Sparrow wrote:You do realise that the original Doctor was Grandfather to his assistant?
I do, hence my support for the classic paternal/uncle role, you probably missed that bit ?

maybe you just mad at me for knocking twilight.
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#148 Post by The Sparrow » Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:02 pm

asamaic wrote:
The Sparrow wrote: I also totally agree with TheOnes on the positive discrimination that some were trying to force the BBC into. If they had gone with a black woman, it would all have been about that and not the show. I am also somewhat of a purist, The Doctor is male. I see no reason why we should have a female although I am sure I will be shot down in flames for that.
No, I agree. I'm all for a strong female character - whether that be a normal companion or time lady - but the doctor is male. I don't think changing his gender would be in keeping with the show at all.

Loved Peter Capaldi as Caecilius and Frobisher, I'm hopeful he'll do a good job as the man himself. Very pleased the role went to someone who is both a) a good actor and b) a longstanding fan of the show.
I do think in time, there will be a female playing the role but to shoehorn an actress in just to please a few, isn't the way to to do it. I read an article today where Moffat said he asked and more women said no to a female Doctor then men. He realised it wasn't the right time to make the Time Lord a Time Lady.

Peter Capaldi is such a great actor and the right man for the job. Apparently, he was considered for the role but he wasn't right for the job then and Smith got it.
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Re: Doctor Who

#149 Post by The Sparrow » Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:05 pm

TheOnes wrote:


And herein lies my point in a nutshell. All of these arguments "for" diversity extend to nothing more than guilt tripping and peer pressure. Saying if they dont adhere to a particular view then obvipusly there is some innate prejudice within them. Im sorry, i am all for a woman or person of colour ib the tardis, but i seriously dont like the reasons and arm bending that everyone is putting forward for this same argument.

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#150 Post by ISMADDER » Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:22 pm

Glad a white Male Actor has been casted as Doctor Who. You can't cast a Women as Doctor who and a Non White Person. If the Made the IRON LADY, ALI or MALCOLM X with Daniel Day Lewis in the Lead role there would be up-roar!!!!

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